Lukie wrote:Playa25 wrote:Lukie wrote:Playa25 wrote:Not to repeat myself again, but how can one without any reasonable doubt believe what you just said,
Am i just to accept that someone told someone who told someone, then wrote it down, then told someone who wrote some more down, and please dont give me a reply in the lines of it was questioned before and people found their answers and are now believers, not that i am not a believer, i am just questioning,
So tell me what proof those non believers found and why was this not shared with the world other than just believe what i am telling you cause thats what happened...
Morning bud. If you consistently read / study the Bible, you will soon realize that this is not the product of someone with an agenda or of human innovation. Human being do not write about themselves that they are basically fundamentally flawed and needs someone / something from outside of them, other than themselves to correct their fundamental depravity.
Dunn makes a good point that some history is sometimes very unreliable and dishonest. From a Christian perspective, believing in the inspiration of and inerrancy of Scripture, meaning that God has chosen and revealed to certain individuals (Prophets) throughout human existence, His plan and will for His creation. I think for many, the current "cultural Christianity" clouds their judgement on what true Christianity is. I can tell you, you can read the Bible for an hour and you will know that Bushiri, for example is not a Christian but a wolf in sheep's clothing, only out to deceive ignorant and carnal people who don't want God, but who in the name of God, want all their dreams and goals to be realized.
Read Genesis to Revelation and find that Christianity is about the Holy Creator (God), whose creation (humans) rebelled against Him and continues to do so throughout history (His Law, His order, etc). Their first federal head plunged them all into total depravity, which is seen in the way we behave for the most part (selfish, autonomous, evil). Just look at a baby growing up, you as the parent do not have to teach them to lie or be disobedient to you. They do that easily and all by themselves. God takes it upon Himself to save all who would come to believe again in Him and His Son and by believing, it doesn't merely mean to say; "aah okay, I believe God exists". It means to actively resolve to put all your trust for everything, for your life, in Him and to submit to His Lordship over your life, which stands to reason that now you make it your work to find out about Him from His Word and to actively resolve to obey His Word. All who believes, receives from God, His Holy Spirit to live inside them, enabling them to be obedient to and grow in holiness and the character of Jesus. Enabling them to deny ungodliness and having an attitude like their former ungodly one.
Now throughout history, God has through His servants called people, nations, cities to turn away from their rebellion to God. The result.. Many of these servants were killed. Hardly, what you see as Christianity today.
you didn't answer anything I asked, which was very simple, instead I read what I have been reading and listening to for years,
and don't get me wrong I am not discouraging anything I am simply asking for actual answer,
imagine waking up tomorrow and you find out this all this was one big lie and that everything was done deliberately for whatever the reason, just curious what would a true believer such as yourself then say
I think I mentioned already that I have traced a line of orthodoxy from this century all the way back to the 1st century. Doing that, I can clearly see where certain false movements originated and how Biblical Christianity has stood the test of time. If there was a chink in the armour, I after, my few years of studying Scripture, as well as my host of mentors who's been at it for years, critically studying the Bible, would've picked it up already. And the good thing is, we do not disconnect ourselves from historical Christianity, but we link onto it and even critically engage that. We go back all the way to reading even as far back as 2nd century documents and material about the faith. If your studies span such over such a wide period, certainly cracks would've started showing.
However, let me entertain the notion for a bit. If Christianity can be without a doubt be proofed erroneous or wrong, then in short, I need to ditch it. It's that simple. I just don't see that happening as the arguments against it has always been the same and has for 2000 odd years fell short of reaching it's objective, namely, to disproof Christianity.
so you are saying that in a matter of years you managed to study and find conclusive proof of over 2000 years worth of theory,
- what proof have you gathered other than that of what others have told you?
- and this which you have gathered against what did you verify it
